It's Just the Coffee Talking: Heatless Tumblers - Travel Mugs - Coffee, Soup Etc. And the 20 gram and 50 gram heat packs to make them work

Oh... LIFE!  What happens when you make other plans!  Ha ha.  So I've been meaning to get this post written for over a week now and I don't really see a chance to do it justice like I wanted.  It's just NOT gonna happen.  So instead, I'm going to type quickly - get some photos up - and give my readers some information and my thoughts on a product I finally 'got around' to trying.

Heatless cooking.

When I first starting seeing these about 5 years ago, I didn't pay them attention because I thought they were stupid.  For the cost, I thought they were ridiculous.  There are plenty of other ways to heat foods and liquids and this was an expensive 'fad'.

And I may still be right about that... but have to admit, I kind of like them.

Although I bought two different brands of 'tumblers' or travel mugs, I also bought a cook style version for food.  I'll link to those and allude to those but this short review is going to be geared towards the tumblers/mugs.  The food cookers work the exact same way so it's all relative.

The tumblers are made with a heavy duty plastic outside tumbler that holds the inner canister/tumbler in which you place your soup, coffee, tea, etc.  Anything that fits into the container basically.  It's about 15 ounces capacity.

The first one I bought was on clearance because the company has discontinued them and won't be selling them anymore.  You'll see the company name in my photos but as they are clearing out their warehouse you'll have to pick up one of the other brands on the market.  AND (this is important) for anyone buying that particular brand (with the little acorn) they DO NOT SELL THE HEAT PACKS FOR THIS TUMBLER ANY LONGER.  So, you will get a tumbler/mug that is completely useless unless you find another supplier for the little water activated heat packs.

And with that, let's dive into what I'm talking about!   THESE are the tumblers/mugs.  And this one is by a brand that currently is still available as of this post. 

  • Traveling cup with options to heat up anytime, anywhere without fire, gas and electricity
  • Perfect for all outdoor, camping, traveling and everyday use
  • Compact lightweight and durable
  • Magic Cook Heat Packs sold separately
  • Water activated heat packs which can generate heat of up to 203 F Degree

The first tumbler I purchased (from the little acorn logo company) that doesn't have any of the heat packets available, was useless until I found the heat packets, but luckily I found those were still available from Magic Cook.  I ordered a tumbler from them as well as a bunch of the packets.

The TRAVEL MUG - TUMBLERS USE THE 20 GRAM SIZE.  DO NOT USE THE LARGER 50 GRAM SIZE FOR THE TUMBLER MUGS.  The larger size is for the food cooking containers.  The smaller size is for the liquid coffee/tea/soup tumblers.

   Magic Cook 20g Refill Heat Pack (Pack of 5)

  Barocook Fuel Pack Set (10-Piece), 20g

I was getting ready to leave the house to go hiking so I did a 'test' using both brands of tumblers.  I took video as well but for lack of time, we are just going to do photos today.  You can easily see the process in them.

Side by side from the top looking down
you can see how you take out the inner canister and place
one heat pack into the bottom of the outer plastic container.

The 'acorn' brand came with ONE PACKET so I did get to try 'their' packets although they no longer sell them (again, they are discontinuing carrying these items so I got the mug pretty cheap but they don't sell extra 20 gram heat packets)

A close up of the instructions.  
How to use a heatless cooking system...  

  • Separate cups and place food/liquid into the stainless inner bowl.
  • Place the heat pack into the bottom of the plastic cup.
  • Pour the suggest amount of water in (only 2 tablespoons - don't use more!)
  • Place the stainless steel inner cup inside the plastic cup, over the steaming heat packet, now activated with your water.  Seal with the top lid.
  • Wait 7-10 minutes for cooking time as the packet reacts with the water and heats up to 203 degrees.
This would be 7-10 minutes for FOOD or a COLD item.
I put hot coffee into mine so it was already hot, and my intention was to 'test' the packets and the process but also to keep my coffee HOT for the 45 minute drive to the hiking location I was going to.

After adding the 2 tablespoons water, put the inner stainless tumbler inside the outer plastic cup.  Seal with the lid.

Here is the bubbling and steaming process going on in the Magic Cook brand tumbler as it activated nicely right away.  The sealed container holds in the steam and hot water.  The container does get really hot so you won't want to be holding it during this time.


Remember the company on the left is discontinuing theirs, so perhaps 
that is why their packet did NOT immediately activate as well as the Magic Cook brand.
You can see it just sitting there slowly starting to steam a little while the
Magic Cook was going to town!

What happened later however, was about 5 minutes down the road the company version on the left FINALLY started to really activate.  It suddenly started to bubble and steam like it was supposed to.  At that point it finished the job quite nicely.  Both containers got very got (even with the foam cover on the outside to help protect your hands). 

The coffee was actually a little too hot to drink (and I like my coffee at about 192 degrees!).  I had to let it 'cool' down for about 15 minutes before I could drink it.  It was very hot initially but it does cool down quickly once the sealed lid is opened to consume the food or beverages and the little packet cools down immediately after it's activated.

You can then throw the packets away in the normal trash.  NOTE:  the packets get ROCK HARD after being used.  So much so, that I had a hard time getting them OUT of the tumblers.  I had to use a knife to slide around the outside and slowly wiggle it to get it loose.  It had molded itself to the shape of the cup and then hardened in place since I didn't empty the outer cups until I returned home a couple hours later after hiking.


I LOVE THEM.  I stocked up on the 20 gram heat packets for the 2 tumblers I own.
As I mentioned, I also bought the cooking bowl for food, that uses the larger 50 gram size so I bought 3 boxes of those as well.

For camping, hiking and power outages these are fabulous but I also make a lot of solo cross-country road trips and I like to bring coffee with me when I run errands as well.  THIS is ultimately why I bought these; for HOT coffee while running errands and driving cross country.  I WILL NOT DRINK coffee that has even begun to cool.  It changes in flavor and I just won't/can't drink it. So, I'm THRILLED with them for those reasons above and beyond the camping/emergency usage.

Products related to this post:  The larger 'cooker' and heatless mug set available from Barocook:

Barocook Essential Set Flameless Cooking BDL-100

The food heatless cooker without the tumbler option from Barocook:

Barocook Rectangular Flameless Cookware System, 28-Ounce

These are the 50 gram heat packs you need to cook in the larger cooker.  (The 20 gram size for the coffee/soup/tea tumbler is linked above in this post)

Magic Cook 50g Refill Heat Packs for Lunch Box x (Pack of 5)


Sorry this post didn't end up to be as polished as I'd like, but I have zero time for product reviews right now and I was feeling guilty for not doing any lately!  Life is throwing me some other curve balls right now... but I'll be back.

Meanwhile, I hope you found my rambling and photos somewhat helpful...  meh, it's just the coffee talking again!


You are from India and you can't even SPEAK English enough to help me... your name is NOT JENNIFER!!!!!!

Just a rant as I'm up to my eyeballs in cell phone stuff again this morning.

Can I just say that for the past 15 years I've had it up to HERE with overseas call centers...  HATE THEM!  If ANY CEO actually had to USE THEIR OWN COMPANY CALL CENTER like a normal client or customer has to, they would IMMEDIATELY shut down and pull out of that overseas call center and move it to the US.  But because the big-wigs don't actually have to use their own customer service... they keep forcing customers to get shit-service from people who cannot speak English, don't understand anything you say that isn't in the script they have in front of them, cannot deviate from that script, will LIE TO YOU and don't care, because WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?  They can say whatever they want, do what they want because it's not like you can complain.

When you wait on hold 90 minutes to speak to someone.
Get people that can't speak English and can't answer a question in English.
Keep repeating "Yes, I'm very sorry. I can help you with that."  17 times in 4 minutes but CAN'T actually help you and don't understand anything YOU say because you aren't going by their script..

It's not like you can call back if they hang up... because guess what?  You have to wait on hold another 90 minutes to get through to someone.
And you won't get the same person so you have to start from scratch.
And that person doesn't speak English either.

And you know what?

Since when is every single person born and raised in INDIA OR PAKISTAN named "Dustin" "Brian" and "Jennifer"  !??  SINCE NEVER, THAT'S WHEN!!!!!!!!!!

Meh, just ignore me.  It's just the coffee talking again........


In the News: Disney workers stealing guests guns?, Joe Biden makes a LOT of money for almost nothing, disgusting man insisting females shave his balls; and NO Trump is not ending food stamps for 3 million people

Afternoon coffee break and the news..........

Disney World tourists report missing guns; one was replaced with stapler

".... he valet parked at the Animal Kingdom Lodge Resort in mid-June. In the other reported case, the last time a 35-year-old Missouri man remembered seeing his gun was in the parking lot at the Magic Kingdom."

Trump Administration Moves to End Food Stamps for 3 Million People

"First off they are not just ending food stamps for 3 million people they are looking into ending the rules that will eliminate automatic enrollment in food stamps just because your receiving some other government benefit. This will in turn just cause a financial review to see if that person qualifies for food stamps. They are not changing the rules regarding who is eligible to received them just wants a quick financial review. There are many people who are not eligible for food stamps that get them. So if you are low income and meet the requirements of food stamps you will still get them."

Canada’s Ball-Waxing Horror Show Is Peak Transgender Activism

A Canadian man is attempting to legally coerce women to wax his scrotum. 

"...........But who said this was about waxing? This about sex, surely. Yaniv is male — a male who has not made the surgical commitment necessary to pass as a female. On top of that, in the past year, Yaniv has presented unambiguously as a male on a number of sites including Google, LinkedIn, Pinterest, and YouTube. And on top of that, Yaniv is a male who is sexually attracted to females.

For the women who declined to wax Yaniv’s private parts, however, the matter was simpler still. Yaniv has male genitalia. Some preferred not to touch these for religious reasons. Others, such as business owner Marcia Da Silva, didn’t feel comfortable or qualified. In the hearing, Da Silva’s lawyer, Jay Cameron, further explained that forcing his client to touch Yaniv’s scrotum would effectively be coercing “intimate services.”

It gets worse. The Canadian journalist Meghan Murphy, who was banned from Twitter for identifying Yaniv as a man, writes at Spectator USA:
In some cases, Yaniv, who is male and maintains male genitalia, used fake Facebook profiles, displaying photos of women (in at least one case, he used the profile of a pregnant woman) to request the service via Facebook Marketplace. When the aestheticians realized he was male, they told him they only performed the service for women (indeed, waxing male genitals is an entirely different procedure, which requires particular training and wax). Yaniv went so far as to tell Sandeep Banipal, proprietor of Blue Heaven Beauty Lounge, that he was on his period, and asked if she could work around the string.
The damages to these women have been considerable, including stress and depression; at least one woman was forced to close her business. Another, a single mother who worked out of her home, paid Yaniv $2,500 to withdraw the complaint so that she could escape the expense of further litigation. Some of the women Yaniv targeted were immigrants. And as if there weren’t enough reasons to be suspicious of Yaniv, some of his comments on social media have seemed strikingly xenophobic"



Joe Biden Gets Paid — a Lot

"....When you’re a famous former government official, lucrative opportunities abound. In addition to the speeches, the University of Pennsylvania paid Biden $371,159 in 2017 plus $540,484 in 2018 and early 2019, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported, “for a vaguely defined role that involved no regular classes and around a dozen public appearances on campus, mostly in big, ticketed events.” Biden is being paid two to two-and-a-half times the average salary of a Penn professor, and he’s not teaching any classes."

Sources for the news articles mentioned above;

  • https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/joe-biden-gets-paid-a-lot-for-speeches-and-hes-not-middle-class/
  • https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/canadas-ball-waxing-horror-show-peak-transgen-activism/
  • https://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/os-bz-disney-guns-reports-20190705-borsv3disnfppiuownjnzmlkze-story.html#nt=interstitial-manual
  • https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-administration-moves-end-food-040000621.html


Apparently these days, speaking English and calling a consumer back is enough to get you 5 out of 5 stars... even if you can't or won't do a thing to actually help them.

It's 3:50 pm but I have fresh coffee in hand and was just changing clothes (yeah, weird time to be changing, I know.  I was changing out of a swimsuit and into... well, clothes) and started to think about how low we've set the customer service bar.

What I mean is how just a few years ago, if a company did a crap job, they got an honest review.  1 star out of 5 when they had a new-to-you product that was defective and they made you jump through hoops to try to get it repairs, or return it.  0 out of 5 when you were forced to call into their 'customer service' only to be stuck with some dude from India with a piss-poor attitude, not able to speak English at all but tells you his name is "Dustin"... you end up in tears of frustration after 45 minutes of TRYING to COMMUNICATE with them.  You achieve nothing so in desperation you call back hoping to get someone who speaks English and you get... "Jennifer" who also can only repeat "Yes. Yes I am sorry to hear that. Let me help you. Yes, I can help you."  to EVERYTHING YOU SAY EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ANSWER to your questions or issues... because it's literally the only thing she can say in English.

Uh, where was I?

Oh.  Yes.

So today while getting dressed I realized that today we give a company 5 out of 5 stars for LOUSY service... because we have been treated like crap by companies for SO long that now, if the customer service person simply speaks English and is in, say, Wichita, Kansas we're all, "YEAH!  GIVE THIS COMPANY 5 STARS!  THEY SPOKE ENGLISH!"  "5 out of 5 stars!  They are based in the USA!!!" 

Never mind they couldn't do crap to help you.
Refused to take the product back, couldn't give you the name of a service provider, wouldn't pay for a new part to be shipped out... all legit reasons to give them a 1 or 2 stars... but NO.  The fact that we are so dang excited to get a customer service representative that is US based and can speak English almost brings us to tears of happiness so we give them a good review simply because we can have a CONVERSATION WITH THEM about the issue.

And sadly....  the fact that the thought that brought this Coffee Talking post on is simply thinking about how I was reading reviews for a company and they were given a 5 out of 5 stars simply because the consumer was SHOCKED that someone ".... said they would call me back.... and they DID!"

Apparently these days, speaking English and calling a consumer back is enough to get you 5 out of 5 stars... even if you can't or won't do a thing to actually help them.

Meh. It's just the coffee talking again......


Legal verses Illegal: "If you want to seek asylum you go through the port of entry. You do it the legal way."

"If you want to seek asylum you go through the port of entry. You do it the legal way."

- Thomas Homan

"So, you are the author of the family separation policy?" Ocasio-Cortez asked.

"I'm not the author of this memo," Homan replied.

"You're not the author, but you signed the memo?" Ocasio-Cortez pressed.

"Yes, a zero tolerance memo," Homan responded.

"So, you provided the official recommendation to Secretary Neilson on families for the United States to pursue family separation?" Ocasio-Cortez asked.

"I gave Secretary Nielson numerous recommendations on how to secure the border and save lives," Homan responded.

"But it says here that you, you gave her numerous options but the recommendation was option three, family separation," Ocasio-Cortez said.

"What I'm saying this is not the only paper where we had given the secretary numerous options to secure the border and save lives," Homan responded.

"And so the recommendation of the many that you recommended, you recommended family separations?" Ocasio-Cortez continued to press as she seemed unable to understand Homan's previous responses.

"I recommended zero tolerance," Homan responded.

"Which includes family separation," Ocasio-Cortez pressed.

"The same as is whatever U.S. citizen parent gets arrested when they're with a child," Homan said.

"Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from their parents," Ocasio-Cortez continued, again not seeming to understand Homan.

"If I get arrested for DUI and I have a young child in the car, I'm gonna be separated," Homan responded. "When I was a police officer in New York and I arrested a father for domestic violence, I separated that father from their family."

"Mr. Homan, with all due respect, legal asylees are not charged with any crime," Ocasio-Cortez said, refusing to acknowledge the majority of people entering the U.S. at the southern border are not legitimate asylum seekers.

"When you're in the country illegally, it's a violation 8 United States Code 13:25," Homan responded.

"Seeking asylum is legal," Ocasio-Cortez responded.

"If you want to seek asylum you go through the port of entry, you do it the legal way," Homan fired back. "The Attorney General of the United States has made that clear."



The Keurig K-Mini Single Serve Coffee Maker - Awesome Blue Color or Traditional Black


Back to Coffee Talk!

It's been a while since I've posted about any new coffee brewers.  I am waiting on a delivery of a new item this week that I'll be reviewing and posting about soon (hint: self heating coffee mugs) but other than that, I just haven't bought anything new lately.

This morning I was having my morning coffee and grabbed a flyer that came in the mail earlier this week.  On the back cover I saw the Keurig K-Mini Single Serve Coffee Maker featured. Hmmm.  Honestly, I had NO IDEA they came out with this.  I hadn't been in the 'buy a tiny single cup coffee maker' lately so it flew under my radar.

I suspect it's being pushed right now for the kids going off to college, because this is tiny and perfect for that.

It's only 12 inches tall and 4.5 inches wide!

It also comes in a very cool oasis blue color as well as the regular and basic black.  The cost is about average right now ($69 ish as of this posting) but may change at any time of course.

Keurig K-Mini Single Serve Coffee Maker, Oasis

  • FITS ANYWHERE: Less than 5 inches wide, Perfect for small spaces.
  • ONE CUP RESERVOIR: Just add fresh water for each brew.
  • FAST, FRESH BREWED: Coffee made in minutes.
  • CORD STORAGE: For easy transport and tidy countertops. The cord is 26" long and is tucked into the back of the brewer. It may have to be pulled out to extend to its full length.
  • TRAVEL MUG FRIENDLY: Removable drip tray accommodates Travel mugs up to 7. 0” tall and holds a full accidental brew for easy cleanup.
  • ENERGY EFFICIENT: Auto off feature turns off your Coffee maker 90 seconds after your last brew, helping to save Energy.
  • COMPATIBLE WITH THE MY K-CUP UNIVERSAL REUSABLE COFFEE FILTER: Brew your own ground coffee (sold separately).
  • YOUR PERFECT AMOUNT: Brew any cup size between 6-12oz with Keurig K-Cup pods.

I haven't bought this one and I don't currently have any kids in college so I have no personal views on this one, but you can find reviews and photos on Amazon through the links. 

   Keurig K-Mini Single Serve Coffee Maker, Black


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Rambling Over Coffee: Prayer for a Very New Angel by Abby Violet Alleyn Storey

Back in the 90's I had a computer but back then they did little more than word processing and even that was iffy!  You had to download a word processing program as they didn't come with one and often were fraught with symbols and spaces where you didn't want them.  Anything you wanted to do on the early computers were kept on big floppy disks and soon those were obsolete.

When I saw them going obsolete I typed out some of the poems I had found in library books or magazines or wherever and printed them off on scratch paper to keep.  Through the years they were in a box of random "computer stuff" that was never opened or looked at really, but never-the-less moved with us across the country and back again numerous times.

This morning I was getting some old family genealogy information out when I saw a small pile of some of those poems I had typed out and printed at the time.  

This is one of them.

I remember the first time I read this.  I had a very new, tiny little baby girl.  I recall not knowing what the poem was about when I started, and I gasped at the end when I realized it was a prayer from a mother after her baby girl had passed away.  As a new Mom, holding her tiny baby girl... I remember I cried.

Prayer For a Very New Angel

God, God, be lenient her first night there.
The crib she slept in was so near my bed;
Her blue and white wool blanket was so soft,
Her pillow hollowed so to fit her head.

Teach me that she'll not want small rooms or me
When she has You and Heaven's immensity!

I always left a light out in the hall.
I hoped to make her fearless in the dark;
And yet, she was so small, one little light,
Not in the room, it scarcely mattered.  Hark!

And in the morning, when she first woke up,
I always kissed her on her left cheek where
The dimple was.  And oh, I wet the brush.
It makes it easier to curl her hair.

Just, just tomorrow, God, I pray,
When she wakes up, do things for her my way!

- Abby Violet Alleyn Storey

You might also be interested in poetry on grief and grieving, available through Amazon;

Poems of Mourning (Everyman's Library Pocket Poets Series)
The Art of Losing: Poems of Grief and Healing



Rambling over Coffee: The top 3 killer 'animals' in the world... probably not what you think

The round-a-bout way my posts come to mind is pretty funny but I'll spare you (this time) how this one came to be.  Suffice to say that yesterday morning I ended up with a click on a click on a click and looking up what animals kill the most humans each year.

I have a (really ridiculous) fear of elephants and they do make the list, but aren't in the top three.  Because they only kill like, 100 people a year. 

No, the top killers are actually the little critters that were eating me alive yesterday as I was attempting to do some work in the back yard.  Mosquitoes.

  1. Mosquitoes are responsible for around 725,000 deaths per year.
  2. Snakes kill at least 50,000 people annually.
  3. Dogs kill 25,000 people yearly.
I know, I wasn't thinking 'insects' when I looked up the top killers either.  But it makes sense and there was an 'Oh... yeah' moment when I read that.  And then I saw snakes were number 2 with killing over 50K people a year.  That was a moment of  'Oh... wow'.  

Lastly was dogs in third place and again, I was like, 'Oh, I didn't think about dogs being 'animals' really when I took the 1.7 seconds to wonder what the top animal killers were....  because again, I was thinking hippopotamuses and sharks and tigers and animals like that.

But wait, it gets better!  Because according to the World Atlas, slots number 4,5 and 6 belong to....

Tsese Flies, Assassin Bugs, Freshwater Snails

"After dogs, the next three animals are small and relatively unassuming perhaps making them more dangerous. Tsetse flies throughout Africa are carriers of the parasite that causes the sleeping sickness disease and responsible for 10,000 reported deaths each year. This disease affects sub-Saharan Africa particularly in very rural and undeveloped areas where people rely on livestock which can also become infected. The danger of this disease is that it can often go undetected until it is too late. Assassin bugs, also known as Kissing bugs, are attracted to lights in homes where they find their prey, humans. These bugs bite people spreading the parasite that causes Chagas disease. Chagas disease leads to major organ failure and kills 10,000 people every year. Another 10,000 lives are lost to freshwater snails which carry another type of parasite. Infected snails can pass along schistosomiasis to humans which cause flu-like symptoms, blood-vomits, and leg paralysis." 

Note:  The crocodile is responsible for 1,000 deaths, hippopotamus for 500 deaths, the elephant and the lion 100 each. Wolves and sharks, only cause ten deaths each every year.

Source:  https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-animals-that-kill-most-humans.html

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